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Lisa/Colin
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you have a dominant aggressive dog, then yes I agree you may have a problem. But most people don't. I still have to find a dog that it wont work on. You are just blocking them, not forcing them.
It all depends on the owner also. If a timid person, then they should have a dominant dog in the first place.


I suppose you meant 'shouldnt have a dominant dog'.

Are you able to tell at 8 weeks old how dominant a dog is going to be? Not every dog of every breed is the same. I am not a 'timid' person yet I have a dominant dog. Should I now give up my dog? Dogs turn out dominant for all sorts of reasons, not all of which can be planned for. Shelters and rescue centres would be even more over run if everyone who had a dominant dog with problems gave them up. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but different dogs need different methods to control them. You find what works for your situation and persevere.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't have said it better myself Lisa.

agree with you 100%, there is no real way of telling how a pup will turn out a 8 weeks.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can tell which puppy in a litter is the dominant one. Sometimes you don't get to see the rest of the litter and get whats left.

I have never mentioned once anyone here that is the wrong person for the dog they have.

Personally I have met one or two people that have a dog that is completely wrong for them. And that was because they had the wrong breed of dog.

All I have done is posted a method that works for me and the dogs I have help train. As Lisa mentioned, you find something that works and stay with it. There lots of ways to train a dog to walk beside you.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can tell which puppy in a litter is the dominant one. Sometimes you don't get to see the rest of the litter and get whats left.



Yes you CAN tell which puppy in a litter is the dominant one in THAT litter, just as you can see when you are walking in a large pack which are the dominant dogs. What I said was that you cant tell HOW dominant a dog is going to be at 8 weeks and how its environment/treatment by its owner is going to affect it. Dominance is not breed specific though of course certain breeds have been bred for specific traits.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you 100%. I thought I was helping some people with a method of walking the dog that is easier to use that learning different types of lead work.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree with you 100% lisa. We have a very dominant great dane, who we took to a behaviourist when he was younger as he had been in a car accident and had started showing some unwanted bahaviour. The behaviourist told us that he did not want to be pack leader and he was not by any means a dominant dog. Although as he started to reach full maturity this changed and now he will not let any other dog step on his toes or try and put him in his place. All it takes it for a dog to show his teeth and luke is in attack mode.

this shows that at nearly 2years old a dog who is totally submissive can change and become extremely dominant over night due to the change in their hormones.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose it's an individual thing! Noone would want to give up on a dog just because it's dominant but I think there's nothing worse than seeing people who have no control of their animals when out and about. I can see both sides but although training is key to handling ur dog, it's more important people feel comfortable being able to handle their dogs and keep them under control so they can enjoy taking them out and certain types of collars etc may help with that? Everyone on here I guess is using them as an aid along with training???
I have a breed which can become v strong. So far training alone has been fine with him to keep him walking well and he's only pulling just now when he wants to see someone who's passing. I'm just using a flat collar. But every case is different
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As always I suggest that dog handlers use the minimum needed to keep their dogs under control......for some this is simply their voice....for others more may be needed.

I applaud anyone who takes whatever steps are needed to control and keep their dog rather than handing it over to a rescue organisation or re homing them.

I think this is the sign of a responsible, devoted dog owner.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cesar Millan. In nature, dogs claim space by asserting themselves in a calm, confident way, and then communicating through body language and eye contact.

This is from his facebook page. This is the method of blocking a dog while on a walk.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luka would bite your leg Laughing

We did not get the dominant puppy of the litter, we took him to training classes, we socialised him, we did all the correct stuff......but I still have a dog, who I cannot trust with other dogs, and i cannot trust him with other people either

I have control of him with a prong and if need be depending on where i am, he is muzzled, i would never ever get rid of my dog, I love that big git even tho he can be a nightmare, but most people dont get to see the big soft, daft puppy Luka

He has his pals tho, there is a guy we met though the vaners forum, who he just loves and he doesnt see him very often as the guy lives in coventry....he adores Kendal, he cannot wait for kendal to give him attention, he loves Janis, he remembers folk form his puppy days, but he still wont let allans friend in the house Very Happy we just have to crate him and im sure he would eat him

anyway this really isnt much to do with the post, sorry ..... I can see where that colar would be handy tho and in the correct hands in the right situation it is another handy tool

but then im a person who would use an e collar if needed Wink (correctly and with advice tho) but I know it would not work on Luka, I also know I could never put a prong or any collar other than a greyhound collar on Moya and I or Allan cannot use a stern voice on her so we can work with opposite ends of the dog spectrum and we do daily
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have prong collar for Angus the Westie and its like a miracle when i put it on him. It used to be he would empty the vets waiting room with his barking and wanting to take on every dog in site no matter what size. Now he goes in so calm hes like a different dog. Vet said she was not against prongs. Anything that worked with each individual dog was perfect as far as shes concerned.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My vets have never ever commented on the prong, but then they deal with Luka they also deal with all our dogs and only ever see greyhound collars on the lurchers so they know we wouldnt just use one without proper thought
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
If you have a dominant aggressive dog, then yes I agree you may have a problem. But most people don't. I still have to find a dog that it wont work on. You are just blocking them, not forcing them.
It all depends on the owner also. If a timid person, then they should have a dominant dog in the first place.


I'm laughing at this Gordon, No offense meant, as I have never met you....you could come along and try with Dodge if you want.....Mind you - allowing him to let you take his lead would be the first problem. If I were to push dodge up against a fence or wall he would feel completely trapped and and react very badly. I will stick to my prong. I actually don't have to use it on him....just him knowing it is on modifies his behavior - I consider this to be effective training as he is a smart boy and well understands the principle of action v reaction.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally i would never use the DD collar on Diego, he is silly and prob would choke himself out, I do however use a prong collar and i cannot fault it. And when we first started using it if anything Diego's behavior was better even when it wasn't on.

Like it was highlighted before, the prong collar isn't a torture device. this works with Diego and he will sit there and let us put it on.

This is a training aid i welcome when training Diego. this is in addition to the food driven and vocal training as well. I see no harm in using training aids, as long as they are under the advice of a knowledgeable trainer who knows both the owner and the dog.
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