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Cassandra
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| John Thomson wrote: |
| I'd die to be able to only use a voice correction............I use prongs to keep my boys in line when needed.Cassandra you met them tonight..........unstable or under control? |
Under control and I have met a fair few GSD in my time....
It strikes me as a bit sad that you don't broaden your horizons Nicola. Excluding possibilities on the basis of interest is detrimental to progression. |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I just use my voice, Marcella, to motivate them, and also treats to encourage them. Always have done with both my dogs. It works really well. 
However, when i'm training my Westie, I no longer give her treats after every command now. With the crossbreed, however, I am at the moment but she'll be getting weened off them soon!
I want them to do what I ask for me, not just for the food. However, Molly (Westie) will do anything for food!   |
Voice commands work for me with Murphy ......... I think my fog horn voice scares the pants off him And when he gets praise he loves it. But Diesel is a different kettle of fish  The previous trainer at the club before John took over used to refer to Diesel as The Gangster she said she'd never met a more arrogant pig headed dog. Thankfully he's all talk and no action.
But, I wouldn't have him any other way ........ he's brilliant! |
Brilliant!
The dog of a friend of mine sounds like Diesel, the "all talk, no action" part in my friends dogs case is out of fear. Aggression in dog almost always stems from fear, according to Victoria Stilwell, and I think she's right! What do you think? |
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Emily
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicola wrote: |
| John Thomson wrote: |
| I'd die to be able to only use a voice correction............I use prongs to keep my boys in line when needed.Cassandra you met them tonight..........unstable or under control? |
I never found it that difficult, to be honest.
Prongs?! Yeah right, John, so you do! |
Erm.....Before we got Prongs for Diesel and Murphy, my friend and I took the two dogs out for a walk.......I took Murphy and I was pulled across a road, in front of a car, and ever since the two dogs've had prongs on, I am able to take the two GSD's without bother.....not bad for a 7st, 14 year old girl I'd say. |
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marcella
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicola wrote: |
Brilliant!
The dog of a friend of mine sounds like Diesel, the "all talk, no action" part in my friends dogs case is out of fear. Aggression in dog almost always stems from fear, according to Victoria Stilwell, and I think she's right! What do you think? |
Oh don't get me wrong Nicola........... he's anything but aggressive!!!! Ask ANYONE who has met him, he's extremely approachable and friendly and NEVER picks a fight. BUT ....... he does like the sound of his own voice at times and when you give him a row ........ he answers back! He's full of cheek but absolutely zero aggression. He's a teddy bear.  |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Cassandra wrote: |
| John Thomson wrote: |
| I'd die to be able to only use a voice correction............I use prongs to keep my boys in line when needed.Cassandra you met them tonight..........unstable or under control? |
Under control and I have met a fair few GSD in my time....
It strikes me as a bit sad that you don't broaden your horizons Nicola. Excluding possibilities on the basis of interest is detrimental to progression. |
I have no doubt that they are under control.
Detrimental to whose progression, Cassandra?
Certainly not mine or my dogs.
I have trained my Westie to a high level of obedience, we are also about to start competing in agility very soon. She is also well socialised and gets on well with all dogs, and I can leave her, and her pal Roxy, with the run of the house when nobody is home, without any hint of a problem.
Being a terrier, they can also be vocal. Oh yes, Molly barks, but as soon as I tell her to stop, she does so, without any problem or refusal.
I have also trained her to "touch" certain things like a mat, the door, the floor and her bed, I'm in the process of teaching her to close doors.
She also does twists and goes through my legs. Sort of heelwork to music.
I don't often have to use a lead either, although I do so near roads for safety reasons. |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Brilliant!
The dog of a friend of mine sounds like Diesel, the "all talk, no action" part in my friends dogs case is out of fear. Aggression in dog almost always stems from fear, according to Victoria Stilwell, and I think she's right! What do you think? |
Oh don't get me wrong Nicola........... he's anything but aggressive!!!! Ask ANYONE who has met him, he's extremely approachable and friendly and NEVER picks a fight. BUT ....... he does like the sound of his own voice at times and when you give him a row ........ he answers back! He's full of cheek but absolutely zero aggression. He's a teddy bear. |
Yes, definately sounds like my friends dog, she barks out of fear, but then her past is not known, so something could have happened in the first few years that we'll never know about, unfortunately. It would be a barkfest if she and Diesel got together! Jeeso.
I have a story about this dog and lead yanking....another story, another time!  |
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Cassandra
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Detrimental to whose progression, Cassandra?
Certainly not mine or my dogs. |
Well...lack of progression particularly in a species is called devolution isn't it? I would say that was detrimental. But if you happy there, thats fine ENJOY! |
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marcella
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Nicola, you are misreading what I am saying .......... PLEASE WATCH MY LIPS Diesel neither barks out of fear or aggression .......... he simply likes to bark. He will sit and talk to you, a growly moan and a bark........ if you ignore him his bark gets louder trying to get your attention. No fear or aggression issues whatsoever, he just likes to 'talk'. If he had do you think we could walk him off lead with 30 other dogs on our walks? I think if he had fear or aggression issues then that would be a problem.
He's simply a cheeky boy, nothing more. Personality.
Our dogs have always had the run of the house too ............... no big deal, normal procedure that is. |
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Cassandra
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Lack of progression..far from it, Cassandra....my dogs are going from strength to strength...and I am learning with them each and every day. And yes, I really do enjoy them, they are almost perfect! |
So you choose ignorance over education and apply that to everyone else? Have you had any experience of dogs other than westies Nicola either academic or practical to criticise or express anything other than a personal opinion? |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Cassandra wrote: |
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Lack of progression..far from it, Cassandra....my dogs are going from strength to strength...and I am learning with them each and every day. And yes, I really do enjoy them, they are almost perfect! |
So you choose ignorance over education and apply that to everyone else? Have you had any experience of dogs other than westies Nicola either academic or practical to criticise or express anything other than a personal opinion? |
Yes, I trained as a dog groomer so have had experience and handled many different breeds, from Chihuahuas and Yorkies to Rottweilers and Newfoundlands.
I grew up with a collie type dog and cats. The house next door had a GSD and border collie. I also have a crossbreed now. A lot of my friends have also always had dogs too. |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Nicola, you are misreading what I am saying .......... PLEASE WATCH MY LIPS Diesel neither barks out of fear or aggression .......... he simply likes to bark. He will sit and talk to you, a growly moan and a bark........ if you ignore him his bark gets louder trying to get your attention. No fear or aggression issues whatsoever, he just likes to 'talk'. If he had do you think we could walk him off lead with 30 other dogs on our walks? I think if he had fear or aggression issues then that would be a problem.
He's simply a cheeky boy, nothing more. Personality.
Our dogs have always had the run of the house too ............... no big deal, normal procedure that is. |
My apologies, Marcella..... |
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Cassandra
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I trained as a dog groomer so have had experience and handled many different breeds, from Chihuahuas and Yorkies to Rottweilers and Newfoundlands.
I grew up with a collie type dog and cats. The house next door had a GSD and border collie. I also have a crossbreed now. A lot of my friends have also always had dogs too. |
My sister is a trained dog groomer, runs her own business down in Hastings, so I know the amount of education and experience you get from that job and its just not the same as you currently have with your westies.
I am talking about dogs you yourself have been in charge of...trained...to be able to post messages in such judgment of people as you have done on this forum. |
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marcella
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| no probs. Just sticking up for my beastie boys wouldn't want anyone thinking they were less than perfect. |
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Nicola
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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I helped with the one-to-ones at a local dog class, and also helped with the agility training.
People don't HAVE to take my advice, Cassandra....all I am doing is expressing my own opinions, just as you and others are doing, they just happen to differ.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.....Ces't la vie (sp?) and all that! |
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John Thomson
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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I would not under any circumstances use a choke chain on my dogs.......a half check prong collar is one of the most humane dog collars available.
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