Hektor muzzled now but ...

[Lisa/Colin]

I have been using a basket muzzle with Hektor off lead for the past 2 weeks and although he doesnt like it he is now tolerating it and I am trying to get him to meet other dogs again.

Unfortunately although we have met a few dogs and things have been ok, as soon as the other dog growls at Hek he's on top of them pinning them to the ground. He did this on Saturday to a bitch down the Glen. In the past he has always got on better with bitches so I am surprised at him.

This morning we met a male lab who was submissive and they were getting on ok when Millie growled and triggered Hektor to jump the dog. I dont know where to go from here to improve things. (I felt like strangling Millie!)

Any ideas?

Lisa

[Laura-Anne]

pm'd you but im pretty new to this so don't know if i sent it lol
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[John Thomson]

Big Hek is protecting her ( not that she needs it )

He can't use his mouth now so is using he weight.

john
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[kirsty]

Lisa

sorry to hear your having problems. as you know my boys are both muzzled now and if given the chance dodge will still use his weight against other dogs and ram them. if you fancy a walk any lunchtime just pm me
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[Gordon]

Dogs that are aggressive, either to other dogs or humans, that need to have a muzzle on shouldn't be allowed off lead unless no other dogs around. A muzzle attack is just as frightening to the other dog and also the owner. All the muzzle is doing is stopping the bite, not the attack.

You should find out exactly what triggers the attack and try to work from there. It could be that he is not allowed to meet other dogs of lead. Under the dangerous dog act, a dog doesn't have to bite to be classed as dangerous.

I'm not saying he is at that stage, but please be aware of other owners.

Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 (section 3)

It is a criminal offence (for the owner and/or the person in charge of the dog) to allow a dog to be ‘dangerously out of control’ in a public place, a place where it is not permitted to be, and some other areas. A ‘dangerously out of control’ dog can be defined as a dog that has injured someone or a dog that a person has grounds for reasonable apprehension that it may do so.

Something as simple as your dog chasing, barking at or jumping up at a person or child could lead to a complaint, so ensure that your dog is under control at all times.

If your dog injures a person, it may be seized by the police and your penalty may include a prison sentence and/or a ban on keeping dogs. There is also an automatic presumption that your dog will be destroyed (unless you can persuade the court that it is not a danger to the public, in which case it may be subject to a control order). You may also have to pay a fine, compensation and costs.

[Laura-Anne]

as long as the dog is on a lead the police cannot seize or destroy the dog even if it harms a human. its off lead your at risk or so past experience suggests
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[Gordon]

If a dog on a lead attacks a human can be seized depending on the severity of the attack and circumstances. It would still be classed as out of control.

[Laura-Anne]

i have been chased by aggresive dogs and received a severe bite from a dog and no action was taken. The bite took place just before an standard grade examination which of course led to complications as i was in shock and a very oh I swore test paper and received no compensation. my mum tried by all available means to have the police and local authority condem/seize/destroy the dog but each time was met with as the dog was on a lead the owner is still deemed to being responsible. we tried to reason with the owner however they stated the dog was under control. the dog then attacked and harmed a family member and was then put to sleep. not saying aggresion is acceptable by any means but its a gd idea to keep an aggresive dog on a lead.
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[Lisa/Colin]

[Gordon]

What I meant by "other owners", is the general public that don't know much about dog training and behavior.

You are being a good owner and putting a muzzle on your dog. What you "are" needing is help from people in the club that would be willing to use their dogs to get him to realise he doesn't need to be so dominant. I think he is dominant, not aggressive.

[Lisa/Colin]

[Suzanne H]

I do feel for you and hope you can get something sorted out with him because you've done a lot to socialise him - which a lot of people don't do.

My two can run fast so they can easily evade dogs who give them a hard time. It never fails to amaze me how many grumpy, angry dogs there are out there.

Mostly, though, their owners put them on a lead when they see our two coming and ours quickly pick up on whether a dog wants to play or not. I think a lot of people transfer their fears on to their dogs and don't let them socialise properly...specially wee dogs.

Mind you, I was shouted at by an old man because our dogs were off the lead - they were no where near him and it was in a park...but it was a busy bit of the park so we just avoid that area now. I know they would just avoid him, but he doesn't know that....just sees a big dog running around like a maddy.

[heather n luke]

lisa we no the feeling. its so frustrating when you no u have a great dog that is fab with all people, children and most dogs. luke can walk by every dog and bitch he sees then it just takes that one dog which he doesnt like, then he turns into a mad man. and because of there size people automatically assume that they are a terrible dog. if it was a tiny dog you had people wouldn't batt an eyelid.

luke's trigger is also when another dog growls, although i think this was because when luke was a pup he got bitten so many times by other dogs so now wen a dog doesnt act friendly then he just goes into attak mode and pins them down.

but if the other dog is friendly then he doesnt care, in the vets the other day there was a brown lab dog who was jumping all over him and he was not bothered at all. i was honestly surprised by this, beacsue i find that when another dog approaches i just have scenes of blood shed in my mind even although i try not too.

i was out the other day too and we came across two bull mastifs, luke was fine untill skye let out a bark, then he turned into a lune ball. i could have killed her.

luke doesnt get off of the lead now as he just wont come back, if he sees something he will take off and he has also went for other dogs.

luke has got better after he got doctored, but u still cant let ur guard down with him. i totally understand what ur trying to do, as if every dog u pass he goes mad at then walks just r not fun.

keep me posed with ur progress. x

[Claire/Mark]

Hope you get some progress soon Lisa, ah know how you feel it's a total nightmare.... I have taken to hiding and looking round all the corners now and if a see a dog go the other way. Really need to stop doing that but with the buggy, Mylo and Tara it's easier to avoid just now. Will need to get back to class and see how Tara is. I think I have just now took to the fact that Tara is always going to be like that. It's a shame when they are like that because they are great dogs in every other way.

[Lisa/Colin]

Thanks everyone for the support. It helps to know that I'm not the only one with a nutter. This wasnt the way it was supposed to be!

Lisa